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Copyright questions...

-- I do not understand (from wasting a resource stand point) why you are permitted to copy workbooks as long as the paid ones are on their way and as long as you destroy the workbooks when they arrive. I understand the concept of it legality-wise but I think it is such a waste of paper.

I agree -- so wasteful. Still, this does happen. One time a company I ordered from sent the textbook on time, but it was the wrong textbook, so while it was returned and resent, I asked if I could have an electronic copy of just the first chapter and promised to destroy it when the book arrived. That was a perfectly acceptable solution for them. Maybe all of this workbook copying will become less of an issue if more publishers are OK with providing materials electronically. AK

-- My librarian told me some stories of appalling copyright violations - massive textbook copying etc. I don't really want to be more specific than that!

S.D.

Hi group! @Sheila, did you set up this Wiki for us? Have our other group members been invited? I have definitely seen massive amounts of copying of old articles and things of that nature in schools. However, the librarians whom I worked with most recently were really clear about the rules of copyright in their setting. I will think of a question soon and post it later. JLG

Librarians can do a lot to set the tone for copyright compliance and to make strides to educate the teachers. It's also easy to throw our hands in the air, but I recommend to keep fighting the good fight! AK

I agree A, setting a good example and providing education should be one of those things that just always has to be done to encourage compliance in copyright.-MA

Yes, I think it is up the librarian to do this. Who else is going to push for copyright compliance? It just doesn't quite fit in anyone else's job description in a school. SD

Yes, I've invited everyone in Group 6. Glad you checked in. I was starting to worry... :)

SD

Thank you for setting up the Wiki and inviting me again when I couldn't access it through my UM account-Thanks MA

Thanks for setting this up for us! I used a Wiki a lot last Spring in a class at UM. We had a lot of fun uploading documents and pictures for the whole group to access.

As to copyright, I wonder what it is about teachers that makes them (us) think it is okay to "share" copyrighted materials? I have heard of many violations. But, I haven't heard of many teachers being charged for copyright violations.

In one school I was in there was a poster above each copier in the building that had some basic copyright rules. I thought this was a great idea. It served as at least a warning/reminder of sorts for teachers. And, it sent a message that someone in the building cared about copyright rules.

Does anyone in the group have other recommendations for enforcing or encouraging copyright rules? JLG J- this year I have realized that in the teacher's lounge over lunch there have been several times when something copyright related comes up...I have found just in conversation you can encourage some copyright rules. MA Anytime I'm invited to a class to do library instruction, I have a conversation with the students about intellectual property andcopyright and I also covercitations. I guess I just sneak it in there every time I get a chance. I second a sign by the machine. People are usually staring at the wall anyway while their copies are running off. AK

I think repetition is important. Having staff hear it over and over is a good thing. At the very least maybe they will think twice before doing it but if you don't even know you are breaking a rule then it is hard to follow it! SD

I think people feel that since it is for education that anything goes. I think a poster/sign above the copier (like you said) is the best way to go.

SD I agree with the posters idea, it is a non threatening informative way to get the information across without singling any single person out-MA


 * Hello group 6. I have used Wiki but never set one up. One recommendation to help with copyright rules would be to educate people rather than **


 * preach to them, a lot of people are able to realize the importance of copyright if they are educated rather than hit over the head with it. If that **


 * doesn't work, design a copyright robo-cop to roam the halls... **


 * LC **

LC, I'd like to comment on your comment but your text is running into each other. Is there any way you can repost it? Update: I see it now! AK

Thanks! SD

** I'm glad you made it to the wiki. A number of students couldn't join with western email and I don't **

** Know why not. Thanks for persevering! AK **

** If you haven't here's my poem on copyright: enjoy LC **

COPYRIGHT

There’s no copyright police so why should we care,

If I am using it in my classroom that’s not wrong, it’s fair

If I copy over the amount allowed by law is it a crime

I will cut and paste without giving credit, it’s only this one time..

They say a picture is worth a thousand words, so how many photos can I copy, before being caught,

Was it 10 or was it 5, I won’t worry about it, won’t give it a second thought

Now music I can copy that anytime I want to

A music teacher with a tight budget, what else can I do?

As long as sheet music says do not copy it is fair game

Man oh man copyright guidelines can be so lame

Whoa teachers, I think you may need a copyright time-out

As a librarian ask me, I can tell you what it’s truly all about.

Look me up, I will steer you in the copyright way

Everyone makes mistakes but now is the time for a new copyright day.

Written by Leah Carr

LC- I like your poem, it is a way to bring attention to some copyright reminders- MA

I had posted last Saturday about UTube and video segments of videos such as Bill Nye, Reading Rainbow, Dr. Seuss cartoons, and wanted to get thoughts from you all(I don't think I saved it correctly, because a notice came up of unsaved changes with my post..teach me to try and do Wiki on a smartphone :) ) anyway...correct me if I am wrong but isn't it against copyright to have these videos on UTube and then for educators to use them? or am I not grasping it correctly? MA-

I t's fine to stream videos from Youtube to your in-person class without getting any permission. It would become a problem if you tried to save those videos to some device and it would most definitely be a problem to then catalog those into your collection. But, I understand what you are asking is, "What if posting those videos to youtube was a copyright violation in itself." That is harder to determine and I don't have a good answer. There is lots and lots up on youtube that violates copyright. Youtube has a system in place for complaints and my understanding is that they take anything down when someone complains and they do determine that it was a violation of copyright. Now, for your examples, the network that broadcasts the show is often the copyright holder and they may give permission for reproduction or at least small snippets of reproduction, so youtube does have a lot of stuff posted for which permission has been granted. You'll notice that almost nothing from pbs is on youtube bc they aren't free with the permissions. Also, sometimes you'll click on a video and get a message, "This content has been removed." Sometimes people act very quickly in getting things removed from youtube. Our local NBC butte weather man had a little live outburst and it was immediately posted to youtube and removed by morning. So, I just don't know if it's a good idea to stream youtube bc it's hard to know if you're doing the right thing, but you wouldn't be the liable party -- youtube would. That's why they have this system where they immediately address complaints -- bc they know that they are walking a line. If a person posts content that then has to be removed, they are then blocked from posting again. So youtube takes measures to be compliant with copyright law, but the fact is that there is an awful lot of stuff that does violate copyright, but that the copyright holders just aren't worried about. AK